This morning's Boston Globe has an interesting editorial. In it, the unsigned author argues that Saddam Hussein should not be executed for his recent conviction, because there are so many other charges pending against him. Apparently, he should stand trial for all of them before any sentences should be passed.
It's an odd argument. I can almost see the reasoning behind it -- it would give a sense of "closure" for all his heinous deeds -- but there are a few major problems with the notion.
For one, Iraqi law is clear: sentence MUST be carried out within a certain time once all the legal niceties have been attended to. It's a clear-cut case of "justice delayed is justice denied."
For another, Saddam committed a LOT of crimes over his 14-year rule. The trials could go on and on for ages.
For a third, remember Slobodan Milosevic? He was put on trial for similar crimes. His trial -- ONE trial -- went on for over four years, and only ended when he got bored of the whole thing and kicked the bucket. And Slobodan was four years younger than Saddam.
Saddam, by rights, should have been simply executed on the spot when found. He wasn't, though, but he did have one benefit he denied literally millions of his subjects -- a trial. He was found guilty, so let's let the sentence be carried out.
And if the Boston Globe doesn't like it, let them pay to dig up his body and put it on trial all over again.



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The only argument for putti... (Below threshold)1. Posted by cirby | December 28, 2006 2:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The only argument for putting Hussein on trial for his other crimes is to keep him from being executed at all. Iraqi law doesn't require that he be tried for all of his crimes, and almost nobody in Iraq would want to keep Hussein around for any longer than they really have to.
I still think they should hang him right before midnight on Sunday. That way, he doesn't get to see another year, and Iraq can do some real celebrating, while starting out 2007 with a somewhat cleaner slate. Enough Iraqis follow the Western calendar for this to resonate well.
1. Posted by cirby | December 28, 2006 2:20 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 14:20
2. Posted by Scott | December 28, 2006 2:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hmmmmm. Here in California, we have almost 600 people on death row.
Wouldn't it be nice if had that 30-day law here? Most of our scumbags have been on death row for over 20 years.
2. Posted by Scott | December 28, 2006 2:26 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 14:26
3. Posted by OregonMuse | December 28, 2006 2:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Surely the Glob editorial writer(s) is aware of all these points you've raised, Jay. I just wonder if the Glob is simply opposed to executing Saddam, for whatever reason, only they know that their position is indefensible, so they thought the best way to get the results they're after would be to argue for interminable delays in the name of justice. After all, if Saddam were put on trial for all of his crimes, he'd die of old age, which perhaps would suit the Glob just fine.
3. Posted by OregonMuse | December 28, 2006 2:35 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 14:35
4. Posted by observer 5 | December 28, 2006 2:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'll be surprised if Saddam is executed before the end of the Anfal trial.
I bet there's a lot of talk in the Iraqi government right now, 30 days being the order of the court and thus subject to change.
In any event, the Presidency Council has to issue a decree for the execution to take place.
I've thought that the Kurds would want to have their say against him and the satisfaction that he was being executed for Anfal as well as Dujail.
We'll see, maybe he's dead already.
4. Posted by observer 5 | December 28, 2006 2:41 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 14:41
5. Posted by Gianni | December 28, 2006 2:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sorry to say I told you so, but, I knew some of the clueless libs would argue to keep Saddam alive.
Murder an innocent baby, sure, deny Terri Schaivo's parents the right to care for her, no problem, save Tookie, here here, but kill a guy who mas killed 100,000's, maybe more than a million, sure, leniency makes sense!
5. Posted by Gianni | December 28, 2006 2:53 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 14:53
6. Posted by cirby | December 28, 2006 3:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I've thought that the Kurds would want to have their say against him and the satisfaction that he was being executed for Anfal as well as Dujail.
No, mostly they just want him dead.
Trying to put him on trial for anything else would just make that not happen. If the SOB reaches his 70th birthday without being executed, he can't be executed, by Iraqi law. They can only put him in jail for the rest of his life.
That's not good enough.
6. Posted by cirby | December 28, 2006 3:10 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 15:10
7. Posted by BarneyG2000 | December 28, 2006 3:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It is my understanding that further trials will take place, just not with Saddam present (have your cake and eat it too).
Did anyone else hear this?
7. Posted by BarneyG2000 | December 28, 2006 3:30 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 15:30
8. Posted by cstmbuild | December 28, 2006 3:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Would this be the Glob trying to impose its political/cultural standards or views on another country?
Isn't that what they have accused the Bush Admin of doing? Trying to impose our governing system and beliefs on another country?
Oh, sorry...Its OK for the liberals...er...media...to demand that their preferred method be carried out.
8. Posted by cstmbuild | December 28, 2006 3:43 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 15:43
9. Posted by observer 5 | December 28, 2006 4:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
if the SOB reaches his 70th birthday without being executed, he can't be executed, by Iraqi law.
What law is that? The only restriction in the Iraqi Criminal Procedure law is the one against executing pregnant women.
9. Posted by observer 5 | December 28, 2006 4:03 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 16:03
10. Posted by DaveD | December 28, 2006 4:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Saddam, by rights, should have been simply executed on the spot when found."
I think not a real good idea.
10. Posted by DaveD | December 28, 2006 4:39 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 16:39
11. Posted by Anon Y. Mous | December 28, 2006 4:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I like it! Then they can dig up his rotting corpse and hang it again.
11. Posted by Anon Y. Mous | December 28, 2006 4:39 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 16:39
12. Posted by wavemaker | December 28, 2006 5:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Personally, I think the Romanians had it right when they just took that murderous butcher Ceaucescu and his hideous wife out in the cold and shot them.
12. Posted by wavemaker | December 28, 2006 5:18 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 17:18
13. Posted by cirby | December 28, 2006 5:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
What law is that? The only restriction in the Iraqi Criminal Procedure law is the one against executing pregnant women.
Not according to a LOT of different reports, ranging from PBS to Free Republic to Human Rights Watch to arabnews.com.
You're literally the first person I've seen claim otherwise.
13. Posted by cirby | December 28, 2006 5:19 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 17:19
14. Posted by Rich Edwards | December 28, 2006 5:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Personally, I think the Romanians had it right when they just took that murderous butcher Ceaucescu and his hideous wife out in the cold and shot them.
Well, I recall Saddam asking to be shot some time back in case of a guilty verdict. With a little luck, Ramsey Clark will volunteer to act as a human shield, when in the words of Gobler in Raiders...shoot zem - shoot zem both.
14. Posted by Rich Edwards | December 28, 2006 5:38 PM |
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Posted on December 28, 2006 17:38
15. Posted by observer 5 | December 29, 2006 2:47 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Not according to a LOT of different reports, ranging from PBS to Free Republic to Human Rights Watch to arabnews.com.
There may be some stray Iraqi law saying you can't excute someone over 70 in Iraq, but it's not in the Iraq Criminal Procedure law.
If anyone knows, I'd be interested in the citation.
15. Posted by observer 5 | December 29, 2006 2:47 AM |
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Posted on December 29, 2006 02:47
16. Posted by nogo postal | December 29, 2006 3:24 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Remember..the gas he used to slaughter his own people we gave him...of course we thought he would use it againt Iran...It is odd that none of the others who were in power at that time are not facing trial...oh well...one less leader with his peoples blood on his hands is a good thing..
16. Posted by nogo postal | December 29, 2006 3:24 AM |
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Posted on December 29, 2006 03:24
17. Posted by bobdog | December 29, 2006 4:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It's all our fault, again, eh, np?
17. Posted by bobdog | December 29, 2006 4:52 AM |
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Posted on December 29, 2006 04:52
18. Posted by moseby | December 29, 2006 9:21 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Quickly!! Before the ACLU sticks its weenie nose in and screws it all up!!
18. Posted by moseby | December 29, 2006 9:21 AM |
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Posted on December 29, 2006 09:21
19. Posted by cirby | December 29, 2006 10:33 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Remember..the gas he used to slaughter his own people we gave him
Actually, no.
That's another of those Leftist Urban Legends. Saddam's poison gases were made in-country, using equipment bought from, well, the countries that opposed going to war against him the most. German, mostly, with some equipment coming from France and Russia (and others, but not the US).
Over the years, a couple of American companies have tried to sell Iraq chemicals that could be used to make those gases, but they've been breaking US law when they tried it, and were shut down when caught.
The only things we sold Iraq in the couple of years we last did business with Hussein (mid-1980s) were some helicopters (civilian types, which ended up being used as transports for generals - they had plenty of actual combat helos they bought from the Soviets) and some insecticides (which were carefully chosen as to not be usable for conversion to any sort of poison gas weapons, and which were desperately needed for actual agriculture). We also gave Iraq some satellite intel for use against the Iranians. That's it.
You keep harping about Iraqi criminal procedures, but I have the feeling that you're going off of that short summary that got published a while back, which is only a small drop in the bucket of actual Iraqi laws that have been passed or modified since the war. You should remember that quite a lot of the Iraqi system of laws went fairly much unchanged after the changeover.
I've cited multiple sources that claim the 70 year age limit, while you... haven't cited anything whatsoever.
19. Posted by cirby | December 29, 2006 10:33 AM |
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Posted on December 29, 2006 10:33
20. Posted by Robert | December 29, 2006 11:35 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Where is Saddam's President Ford? Someone to pardon him to heal the nation?
20. Posted by Robert | December 29, 2006 11:35 AM |
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Posted on December 29, 2006 11:35
21. Posted by cirby | December 29, 2006 11:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Where is Saddam's President Ford?
Unfortunately, he was killed a while back while assembling a car bomb.
The next guy in line is, unfortunately, in the other line, applying for the hangman job.
21. Posted by cirby | December 29, 2006 11:53 AM |
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Posted on December 29, 2006 11:53
22. Posted by nikkolai | December 29, 2006 1:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Where is Saddam's Gerald Ford...?
What did I miss something here? How many hundred of thosuands of U.S. citizens did Nixon murder?
22. Posted by nikkolai | December 29, 2006 1:10 PM |
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Posted on December 29, 2006 13:10
23. Posted by epador | December 29, 2006 2:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Robert, up the Zyprexa, your delusions are showing again.
23. Posted by epador | December 29, 2006 2:10 PM |
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Posted on December 29, 2006 14:10